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Victim Of Taylor's Indoor Open Tournament!
The UiTM Lions have been sabotage!!! How come the team which suppose to be
the winner of the match and become a champion become a loser
team???
The match score was suppose to be 10-6. 10 points for Lions and 6
points for the Wildcats. But when the game finished, the score become
10 points to Wildcats and 7 points to Lions.
We have our own score keeper and the score is 10-6. In the first half,
Lions leads with the score 4-2. Then the wildcats begin to fight back
and score a points in the beginning of second half then Lions score a
point (5-3). Then wildcats score straight 3 points and the score
become 5-6. Then Lions score a points.The score is even at that
time.When the organizer announced the match have 1 more minutes,Lions
score 3 straight points!! and it supposed to be 10-6 at that time!And
Lions suppose to be the winner!
But after the final match,that guy who incharge of the
tournament announced that wildcats is the winner. We all shocked about
that result than argued but the guy said he was right about
the score. How come he knows the exact score when he was not focus on
the match because his team play at the other side (field B)?? My
teammate saw him past on the score sheet to his friend and he went to
other side.
What are the relevance of having other match in Field B when the Final
match were being held?? And when the team playing at the other side
was home team, there were no focus on the final! He annouce that the
score was 10-7. 1 more points added when there is foul play by
wildcats and the score was not valid but the score keeper didn't
realise it.
I cannot accept this defeat because we don't deserved it!We know we
are the winner! I can accept if we didn't played well but the fact is
we are the better team at that match!This is not fair for us and for
the name of Ultimate Frisbee! For me, UiTM Lions are the champions of
Taylor's Indoor.
2nd Message
Im Apize from UiTM Lions team here to express my team feeling when we have
this tragic incident in Taylor's Indoor Open. Firstly we're glad that
this tournament was held, giving the ultimate players in Malaysia the
differences between the field and indoor games. The uniqueness and
creativity is there. But there are some problems and that major
problem was making this tournament not fair and professional.
The major problem was the score keeping of the tournament. This
started from the beginning of the games. They introduce this new
format of scoring but there didn't care about the score keeper of each
game. There are no score board or score display, all just observed and
written on a small piece of paper by a person. So the players cannot
know what the current score of the game is.
When this problem was not being focus and sort out by the organizer,
this effected the final match between Lions and Wildcats. Before the
final match, Nuar(wildcats) and I have discuss and we have requested
that in the final should be 2 time keepers and the request was
accepted by that guy who incharge of the game.
Unfortunately, the request just a promise when in the final match, the
score keeper is not organized well and no focus on the match. This
contributed the miss judge of the score and then the result of the
match is being sabotage and not fair. The team which are the winner of
the match become a loser.
1st Respond
Hi there Apize,
It is a grave mistake on our part about the whole finals-mess. In
fact, you're absolutely right regarding the whole bad scorekeeping,
and we're very sorry about that. We didn't think about scores being
mistaken for turns at the endzone and vice-versa, and we definitely
should have had a better scorekeeping system.
It still remains a debate between players/onlookers regarding the
score.. there are just as many people on each side, so it's hard for
us to confirm anything at the moment. We'll investigate further and
update everyone when we get any information from scorekeepers/onlookers.
I'd like to correct you on one bit, which was about the
organizer/score-keeper watching the other field. On the other side was
HELP Jumpers Vs. Taylor's Flying Knights. Despite the name, I was the
only person in Taylor's Flying Knights who was actually from Taylor's
(wtf?).. so the organizer was watching the entire final match between
you guys, and not the match between HELP and TFK.
For the moment, please accept our sincerest apologies and bear with us
until we can clarify things.
Sincerely,
Bryan
3rd Message
It is not fair if i just gives comments without any recommendation for
improvement of a tournament.
First i would like to suggest for the indoor tournament in the
future,the important thing is the score keeper. Having the proper
score board or score display is a proper way. And please assign 2 guys
at the each of the endzone side to make sure the score is valid or
not.Because this is a fast game.The offence team may score
again,repeatly after a score if there is pull over after the defence
team started the play after the score. For more better, is better to
apply the score keeping system like Intec Open last 2 weeks. each team
were given a score sheet to ensure the score are taken is confirm.
Second, the safety of the court. The organizer should do something
about the walls behind the endzone because today the wall have causes
many injuries to the players who smacked the wall. The endzone was too
close to the wall and this will causes danger to the players. One more
thing about safety, the court should be clear from any public
activities such as badminton at the back of the endzones. The disc fly
away to the people who play badminton there and we are disturbing
them. There is one incident happen in field B today when the disc hit
the boy at his head (headshot),who playing badminton with his dad.
Other than that please improve what ever lacks in this tournament and
make it more systematic and organized.
Apize
El Kapitan
UiTM Lions
4th Message
For Wildcats, a credits for you all for making this sport become more
competitive. But today we are better team today. Just the result was
not as we expected. It was a great game with you all and we enjoy it.
Thanks.
For US Soar, you are the team to watch. If the the improvement
maintain better and better,mark my word,in two years time, you will be
a team for all to beat.You have a bunch of great talent and all are
still young compare to other team. Be patient in your games, plan more
strategies and improve your build-up play. And please try to control
your attitude in the game,sometime it is overact and can ruins the
ethics and the spirits of the game. Good Luck!
Apize
El Kapitan
UiTM Lions
2nd Respond
Re: Victim Of Taylor's Indoor Open Tournament! (Recommendation)
To the Lions of UiTM,
After reviewing feedback from many sources, we the organizers have
decided to maintain the final positions of yesterday's tournament. We
are very sorry about the whole mess regarding the outcome of the
finals, but we will stick to the results as reported by our official
score-keeper, as it is the only recorded result we have. We sincerely
apologize for the problems caused and promise not to let this ever
happen again, by supplying sufficient score sheets and score boards in
any of our tournaments.
Sincerely,
Bryan Chong
Taylor's University College
Ultimate Club Vice-President.
3rd Respond
To Lions of UiTM,
Firstly, on behalf of the organizers, I would like to express my deepest apologies to your team for the problems that occurred mainly in the final match. Without these problems, this first of its kind tournament in our country would have had a superb ending.
Next, I would like to thank you for your recommendations for improvement. However, I strongly disagree the claim that we tried to sabotage Lions. We made our best effort to ensure the fairness and smooth running of the tournament. Logically, we as the organizers wouldn't have wanted anything undesirable to happen in the tournament. Before the tournament, I calculated that I myself had to bear losses of more than RM200 but I didn't mind as long as the tournament can run. Therefore, I feel that it is unfair for your team to treat us like that especially when you left the tournament before the closing ceremony as an act of protesting. The discrepancies in scores was not done intentionally and of course we hope to have avoided it.
The purpose of this first of its kind tournament is to expose Malaysian Ultimate players to indoor Ultimate and most importantly to have fun. A winning mentality is important, I know that too, but it should not over rule self control of players.
Lions might be 10000% very very sure that their own team had won the match but so do the players of Wildcats and also the score keeper(Just to correct you, Bryan Chong wasn't the score keeper for the final). Wildcats even cheered happily for themselves because they were sure they had won the final. Just imagine being a Wildcats players, they are as sure that they won as Lions are. I feel that it is not respectful to the players of Wildcats because of repeated claims that Lions were the better team that day. They must surely have been shocked just like you from Lions. After all, we are one big Ultimate family!
Overall, it was a smooth and successful tournament as everything went according to schedule and as planned except for some problems, some avoidable and some unavoidable. Unfortunately, blades and hammers were not quite possible because of the low lights. However, I'm sure everyone had fun and enjoyed themselves even with those problems!! May i point out that mistakes tend to happen always because one who doesn't make mistakes is one who does nothing.
Once again, I would like to apologize to Lions mainly the scorekeeping. We will ensure nothing similar will happen again.
Wildcats, I would like to congratulate your players for topping the standings and emerging as the winner of Malaysia's first ever indoor Ultimate tournament! Lastly, please accept my heartfelt apologies for your victory is marred by such undesirable outcome.
Thank you.
Guan Huan
Taylor's Ultimate Frisbee Club
5th Message
Its doesn't make any sense that lions only score 3 points in second
half because in final 1 minutes lions manage to score 3 points. And
lions have scored some points before that final 1 minutes,but still
the result as 7-10.Is this sound right to you all?(Lions lead 4-2 in
1st half).hmm..nevermind la..past is past.
To the organizer,thanks for your explanation. we take this as a
challenge to be more ready and careful in the future tourney.
Thanks.
Apize
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